VIMALAN RIIAS

Vimalan Research Insitute of Indian Astrological science

VIMALAN RIIAS

Vimalan Research Insitute of Indian Astrological science

VIMALAN RIIAS

Vimalan Research Insitute of Indian Astrological science

VIMALAN RIIAS

Vimalan Research Insitute of Indian Astrological science

VIMALAN RIIAS

Vimalan Research Insitute of Indian Astrological science

Sunday 3 August 2014

planet do not disappear in 6,8, and 12th bhavas


In the field of astrology the 6, 8 and 12  bhavas are malefic planets and they are known as (Maraivu sthanam, which means a place to hide) when the literal meaning is considered it means any planet in this place will disappear.  How on universe will planets disappear (of course, pluto did!); however, the reality of the expression goes like since the effects can be malefic, astrologers were warned not to horrify their clients by telling all the details.  Astrologers were required to hide major malefic details and send the client with mild information about these facts, thereby keeping them at peace until the day the worse unfolds!

However, astrologers state the predication in a way like planets in the 6, 8, and 12th bhava are hidden and therefore these planets do not possess any benefic qualities.  And, clients are exhausted with a feeling like there is no benefit from these planets.  And they decide that until the dasa bhukthi of this planet ends everything will be unfavorable.  They walk out with an empty heart thinking no good will happen.
In reality, in the science of astrology, the 6th 8th and 12 th bhavas are not hidden places. There are no indications in texts that these places are places for the planets to lose their power or to hide themselves or disappear.  This is in reality a malefic bhava.  This is a bhava that expresses bad events, therefore bad bhava.  From this same bhava there can be a few good effects as well.
For instance, there is something called vipareetha raja yogam, these are the raja yogas and money yogas that are formed by bad planets.  If vipareetha raja yogam is located in a way to provide money to the native, how can 6, 8, and 12th houses be maraivu sthanas.
In reality, even if the the 6th house is in a position to denote diseases, litigation, problems, debts, etcetera this is the place where the “victory factor reigns”, the tendency to serve others is seen from this house, for any problem if there is loss there is also victory in the same ground, if it indicates debt – it is also indicative of the debt clearing, therefore, based on the 6th house we cannot say that we will forever live in debt because of the 6th house indications.
When you check in to all the investors in this world – all of them did not do any business without getting in to debt.  Either they will buy debts, or they will give debt and get it back.  There are different methods to buy debt.  You can get debt from banks, getting debts from outsiders, our country by itself has procured lot of debts.
Even developed countries are in debt.  Therefore, debts are there to stay.  What we can explore is about whether the debt will be something that will lead to misery or will it be one that will lead to betterment in life by tolerating the debt is the factor to be considered when it is about giving predictions.  This is about the 6th bhava. When this is the state of the 6thbhava how can we say that this is hidden or functionless?  This is not something that is acceptable in the field of astrology at all. It is not really good to say so. This is not correct either.
Astrologers were warned not to horrify their clients by telling all the details.  Astrologers were required to hide major malefic details and send the client with mild information about these facts, thereby keeping them at peace until the day the worse unfolds!
The hide factor got misinterpreted!
This is applicable for the 8th bhava.  This is as well about hiding the intensity of horrible facts.  8th bhava indicates losses, insults, sudden losses, killing, suicide, major losses, unexpected miseries and sorrow is indicated by the 8th bhava.
We should not think that only this exists. This is also the place where unexpected fortunes and money gains are seen.  This is also the place that is indicative of the money we might gain from others.  Therefore, when dealing with 8th bhava, we cannot say it is completely bad and we are not supposed to declare this bhava as completely bad.
If someone is undergoing the dasha of the 8th bhava, the individual need not be suffering throughout – it can suddenly create some good benefits in the form of money during the good bhukthi periods. Therefore, we are not supposed to scare off someone by saying it is hidden.
Sometimes the malefic effects can be really high like the 8th lord in debilitation, the lagna lord in 8th and lot of other stuff contributing to a scary result, and the benefit will appear as a burden to the native.  We are to tell it to the client by hiding the intensity of the misery. We are not supposed to blow up the result in proportion.
When it is about dealing with the 12th bhava, it is something that is likable in a way and not likeable in another way. If we plan to spend and if it happens it is something that we might like.  If we do not plan to spend and it if continues to happen then it is something that we might not like.  Therefore, this is known as Viraya Sthanam.
Losses happen in multiple ways.  These are those that are expected those that are not expected, expenditure, losses, living in a hidden place, going out of town, – the deeds of this house are not really of a permanent nature.
If the ascendant lord will place us in forefront, the 12th lord will place us way back.
6, 8, and 12th bhavas are those that do the many malefic things big and small that we do not like.  All we need to be doing is to hide the intensity of their expression when they happen.  There are still associated benefits.
If there was no 6th bhava, then we will not be able to get debts. And, we will not be able to achieve anything.  There will be likely problems though.
8th bhava… who does not have losses? Is wealth the only loss that one should encounter? Are other losses not accountable? Everything will come.
12th bhava is of course expenditure. M.R.P. is Rs. 17 in reality its original cost will be less, we pay different prices for this product in different places… Consider the price of the crackers from Shivakashi that we get during festivals, the label price will be Rs. 300; however, the shopkeeper will give it to us for Rs. 30.  The Rs. 300 might be the price applicable for sale in Kashmir.
This is applicable for all the expenditures you might be dealing with.  For the same product, we might be forced to play a higher price in the process.  The difference is that if we are running a good bhava we will be getting it for Rs. 30 and if we are running through a strong 12th bhava, we might have to pay the extra price, which is to buy it for Rs. 300.  Both are same, it is not about feeling deceived or being deceived.  The product is made available in a different place. To buy something from here is different and to buy something from elsewhere is different.  It is about the process of supply and demand and the prices are proposed accordingly.
Therefore, the 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are those that we can expect.  They keep coming and going.  This will come during the dhasa, bhukthi, chitiram, antharam and during all phases.  Therefore, this should be considered as something that should be hidden and revealed, but you cannot say that the bhava or the planets in the bhava have completely disappeared.  All planets are clearly visible in the planetary set up in the horoscope and we can do nothing about hiding out the 6th, 8th, and 12th bhava.
It is about revealing the hard facts in these malefic bhavas in a subtle manner without scaring the clients by blowing up the problem beyond proportion.  It is important to instill positive hope in the client beyond all odds.

Is Astrology related to religion or science?

Is Astrology Related to Science or Religion


Question:  
Is astrology related to religion or science? This is a very common question.
This is indeed a controversial question.  There have been many situations where I had to spend several hours providing clarifications for the same, and many classroom sessions on this topics have crossed more than 2 hours.  This is an important question to be clarified because at a global level people are forever looking at astrology as a concept that is based on religion.
First of all we have to understand one thing very clearly.  What is science? What is religion?
  • Religion is something that determines the nature of a thing without visually looking in to it.  There are likely to be different scholars who will declare the results of religious theories and facts based on their personal supportive evidence.
  • Science determines something based on real-time verification of facts.  It states like when something like this is done, something like this will happen and so on.
Since facts proposed by science are visually verifiable, it is considered to be authentic to propose any research scientifically.
Few of the assumptions and facts proposed by religion might fail at a point in time and the assumptions and facts proposed by science might as well fail at a point in time.
As discussed earlier, when one scientist had proposed that atom is indivisible, another scientist proved that it is divisible at a later point in time.
The Buddha had forever been declaring that changes keep taking place perpetually.   The Buddha keeps saying that you cannot touch the same water in the river when you do it time next.  This is because water keeps flowing.  When change is a parameter that is undeniably existing, how can we determine what is the true fact.
Anything that we look at keeps changing with time and with the passing of time, its physical appearance changes and it absolutely disappears as well with the flow of time.  The fact is true for now that is all.  As the days keep moving, the object will be subject to many changes and it will change in to some other thing with time.  Since, an object that we are able to visually perceive keeps changing with time eventually mutating to something else makes us to believe that even an object that we are able to visualize is a temporary and false!  This is indeed a philosophical approach!
People who deal with religion decide several things based on the consistent change theory, without visualizing the object with naked eye.  They accord the deed to something related to God.  Rationalists propose the happening to the act of nature! These are all based on the mental flow of those people.
All we need to get hold of as researchers in the field of astrology is:
  • Facts visually verifiable
  • Facts that are not visually verifiable
The big question to be handled now is about whether astrology provides facts based on:
  • Visual  examination
  • Non-visual perception
Here is the answer!
All facts in Astrology are based on real time visualization of planets and positions.  Astrology does not provide with results based on mere assumptions.
  • We are visually checking in to the planets
  • Asterisms in the sky have been classified in to 12 rashis
  • The infinite numbers of stars in the sky has been classified in to constellations; the asterisms have been identified, thereby creating 27 major nakshatras.
  • 360 degrees have been created
  • Creating imaginary images by the group of fixed stars making an asterism.
Based on the positions of these real time planets, stars and rashi – astrology declares its results.
When this is the case we need to personally decide if this is something that is based on science or that which is based on religion.
Therefore, this is based on science.
  • On the basis of science, the sooner we look in to an object, how are you able to arrive at predictions?  How is it possible?
By asking the above question, scientists will be asking us a long list of questions. In reality, the nature of astrology is not set in a way to make mathematical or observational study from a laboratory.  This might not happen so.
ASTRONOMICAL TRIGGERS THAT CAN CAST IN THE THOUGHT PROCESSES OF THE INDIVIDUAL
What we are going to deal with is to arrive at the thought waves that trigger each and every function of an individual.  We are dealing with the influence that the astronomical triggers can cast in the thought processes of the individual.
This is one of the rare arts, and it holds a credit that can be given only to the science of astrology.  Astrology, when rightly executed, strong and firm declarative predications can be provided about thought patterns and real time events.
Every kind of inner process related to the psychological well-being, psychological discomfort, psychological yearnings, and lot of such stuff can be predicted about how it will happen and when it will come to a safe end.  It is for this reason that astrology is an art form that can live not only today, but forever.
How to predetermine the kind of experiences that a human being might encounter? How to make others about the kind of experiences that they are destined to deal with as human beings?
Are the questions that will be pondered upon in the art of astrology, eventually providing predictions and results based on mathematical projections and astronomical basics! It is because of the reality and factual stuff related to the science and art of astrology that it continues to exist to date as well.
In the field of astrology, by considering the consistent change theory, there is place for change in predictions and assumptions as well.  Every individual horoscope is subject to change.
The result that has been told for one person will change for another person. For some other person again the prediction will change.  Therefore, astrology is something that is based on science. This is because it considers astronomy that is indeed science, the planetary positions per astronomy are taken in to consideration > predications are provided based on Yukthi and Sruthi experience – from the foundations drawn from pure scientific astronomical position of planets by visual reasoning – this is purely science.
When the predictions are to be said, it is based on degrees, because for every individual horoscope, the predications are drawn based on the longitudinal and latitudinal positions of the place of birth of the individual and the changes that follow vary per degrees!
While the fundamentals of astrology are based on astronomy it is science, and since the predication factor is changing with every change in the degree it is an art form.
Astrology is science and predication is an art form.
The predication part is considered to be an art form because the predication is to be told for different people in a different way in compliance with consistent changes. Whatever be the case, astrology is not something that is based on religion.
This is because if something should be declared as religious it should be dealing with lot of invisible aspects.  Since astrology is proposing facts based on stuff that is clearly visible – it has created 360 degrees (this might be an imaginary map); however, the nakshatras and the planets that are visible in the sky are not invisible.  They are clearly visible. And they are real.  They are not imaginary.  Based on the foundation of these, mathematics has been created, and the results are declared after clear visualization. This is something that has science as the basis.
Is there no opportunity for astrology to be considered to be as a religion based phenomena at all?
In reality, the answer is no.  This is because astrology keeps declaring future predications and it does not at any point in time declare opportunities to change the predictions applicable for the future.  It cannot tell either at any point in time.
If it becomes a reality, this can be used as a great tool to bring down our miseries and we can increase the happy effects as well.  Since astrology cannot increase happiness or decrease sadness this is completely a study that is based on science and it has nothing to do with religion?
The increasing and decreasing factors are related to religion according to my perception.
Religion is forever considered as a parameter that provides with solution for the miseries of man, we have propagated it this way and this is applicable for all religions.  In all religions, there is something called “forgiving”… It is considered to be a place where your sins can be cleared off.
Everything about human beings like beliefs, discipline, happiness, and everything about human beings is being governed by the principles proposed by religion.  Therefore, every time we look at religion we look at it as a great let out for our miseries and troubles.  And, the path that serves as our drain out for our troubles is something that is being worshipped.
Dear friends, let us list out what we are not worshipping.  We keep praying to everything that troubles us.  We worship everything that helps us in our day-to-day living.  For instance, when you go to villages, there will be people who will be praying to knives, why knife? Is the knife God?  No! If there was no knife our soul would have departed from our body and it would have reached the world of Lord Yama. What is the knife doing? When we are going along in the forest, it plays the role of a big companion and it provides us with the confidence and serves as a weapon to deal with probable dangers in our path. Since the knife as a weapon protects us, it becomes the God for us.
Our natural ancestors were real intelligent.  They respected, prayed and achieved all that they wanted for their lives.  Getting scared of nature formed the major belief system of our ancestors.  In reality, when we least expect, we are forced to experience, every kind of natural happening in our lives.  As humans we will either pray or we will oppose it and we will walk out.  This is indeed human nature.
When this is the case, when we consider a list of things that are worthy of worship, what we can decide is that everything is subject to worship.  This is nature and belief.
“Belief is an entirely different thing from superstition”
We are not dealing with the superstition factor now.  On the basis of the belief that the knife will save us we worship it.  If Shakthivel saves us we pray to it.  Chakra saves us therefore we pray to it. Okay, why should we pray to water? Why should be pray to the waters of the river, why should we pray to the waters of the sea? Why should we pray to fire? Why should we pray to the earth? All these are natural things. All these things can make the most unexpected consequences happen to us.
Suddenly, the waters in the river can rise and it can flood a whole village and wash everyone and everything away.  Then we will die. Suddenly, if fire catches up the whole forest will be burnt away and we will all be destroyed. If an earth quake happens and we go in, we will die.  These are the many natural happenings that are beyond our control.  Therefore, we are looking at all these aspects as God.
We have been converting everything that is scary to us as God. We have been converting everything that has been saving us from fear as a God as well.  Therefore, anything that is based on religion is something that will somehow make human beings regain their faith in the living process despite all natural calamities.
On the basis of religion, the planets in astrology have been used as a tool to somehow make human beings regain their faith in the living process despite all natural calamities, by making the planets as Gods that is all.
In the temples, a place has been allotted to planets.  In reality, before 100 years, there were no such planetary set ups in temples.  If you check in to the Brahadeshwara temple in Tanjavur, there is no such planetary set up in those temples.
For further verification, Vaishnavism that evolved after separation from the Shaivism does not pose planetary gods in their temples, except in very few shrines.  Why did they keep and why they did not keep is a complicated question and this is based on the beliefs of each of these religions.  It is their philosophy and their sastras.  There is no need to argue about the authenticity of these facts. Religion is a very big school. All these religious schools of wisdom to date continue to encourage the sustenance of mankind.
The religions which honored planets by making them worship worthy had their own methods in helping peace for the minds of many troubled minds.
Therefore, astrology is not something that is based on science, but religion had honored astrological planets by absorbing and accepting these planets in to its system.  It has added glory to astrology. What we can tell about religion? Religion accepted astrology!
Even if science did not support astrology, religion has supported astrology.
Just because religion accepted astrology, we cannot call astrology as something that is based on religion.
Religion has accepted many facts in the world and astrology is one of them.  Therefore, astrology is not something about religion.
Even in temples, primary importance will be given to the main deity and the navagraha will be placed separately in the north-eastern side of the temple.
Since astrology does not propose anything based on invisible foundation, we affirm that astrology is purely based on science.
We have declared it firmly on behalf of TAGA – Tamilnadu Astrology Graduates Association in the year 2010, at a conference marking our annual day that was held in Trichy for our members.
Astrology is not something that is based on religion.  This is based purely on science.  This was published in several journals as well. While we have declared this opinion already and many of them have accepted this as well.  We have given science graduate degrees like Bachelors in Science in Astrology, Master of Science in Astrology, Master of Science in Applied Astrology and so on.
There are arguments going on about whether science degree is essential and more…
It is always good to start doing something and then keep verifying if it is good or otherwise, it is not really necessary to argue about something before ever starting it at all.  This is not necessary at all.
Regardless of whether astrology is science or religion, mankind is in a position to do more research and preserve the guidance possible from these predictions.  This is also the duty of astrology students.  Therefore, it is important to not worry or argue about whether astrology is related to science or religion and it will be good to concentrate on the research factor.
We can work in accordance with science by deciding on how to derive mathematical facts and figures to support astrology in a way it is useful to the society. We need to find a way to somehow do repetitive research.  There will be a time when science will accept us just like religion did.

Rashi Chart is very important. Navamsha is just supportive




Is Astrology Related to Science or Religion

Question:  
Is astrology related to religion or science? This is a very common question.
This is indeed a controversial question.  There have been many situations where I had to spend several hours providing clarifications for the same, and many classroom sessions on this topics have crossed more than 2 hours.  This is an important question to be clarified because at a global level people are forever looking at astrology as a concept that is based on religion.
First of all we have to understand one thing very clearly.  What is science? What is religion?
  • Religion is something that determines the nature of a thing without visually looking in to it.  There are likely to be different scholars who will declare the results of religious theories and facts based on their personal supportive evidence.
  • Science determines something based on real-time verification of facts.  It states like when something like this is done, something like this will happen and so on.
Since facts proposed by science are visually verifiable, it is considered to be authentic to propose any research scientifically.
Few of the assumptions and facts proposed by religion might fail at a point in time and the assumptions and facts proposed by science might as well fail at a point in time.
As discussed earlier, when one scientist had proposed that atom is indivisible, another scientist proved that it is divisible at a later point in time.
The Buddha had forever been declaring that changes keep taking place perpetually.   The Buddha keeps saying that you cannot touch the same water in the river when you do it time next.  This is because water keeps flowing.  When change is a parameter that is undeniably existing, how can we determine what is the true fact.
Anything that we look at keeps changing with time and with the passing of time, its physical appearance changes and it absolutely disappears as well with the flow of time.  The fact is true for now that is all.  As the days keep moving, the object will be subject to many changes and it will change in to some other thing with time.  Since, an object that we are able to visually perceive keeps changing with time eventually mutating to something else makes us to believe that even an object that we are able to visualize is a temporary and false!  This is indeed a philosophical approach!
People who deal with religion decide several things based on the consistent change theory, without visualizing the object with naked eye.  They accord the deed to something related to God.  Rationalists propose the happening to the act of nature! These are all based on the mental flow of those people.
All we need to get hold of as researchers in the field of astrology is:
  • Facts visually verifiable
  • Facts that are not visually verifiable
The big question to be handled now is about whether astrology provides facts based on:
  • Visual  examination
  • Non-visual perception
Here is the answer!
All facts in Astrology are based on real time visualization of planets and positions.  Astrology does not provide with results based on mere assumptions.
  • We are visually checking in to the planets
  • Asterisms in the sky have been classified in to 12 rashis
  • The infinite numbers of stars in the sky has been classified in to constellations; the asterisms have been identified, thereby creating 27 major nakshatras.
  • 360 degrees have been created
  • Creating imaginary images by the group of fixed stars making an asterism.
Based on the positions of these real time planets, stars and rashi – astrology declares its results.
When this is the case we need to personally decide if this is something that is based on science or that which is based on religion!
Therefore, this is based on science.
  • On the basis of science, the sooner we look in to an object, how are you able to arrive at predictions?  How is it possible?
By asking the above question, scientists will be asking us a long list of questions. In reality, the nature of astrology is not set in a way to make mathematical or observational study from a laboratory.  This might not happen so.
ASTRONOMICAL TRIGGERS THAT CAN CAST IN THE THOUGHT PROCESSES OF THE INDIVIDUAL
What we are going to deal with is to arrive at the thought waves that trigger each and every function of an individual.  We are dealing with the influence that the astronomical triggers can cast in the thought processes of the individual.
This is one of the rare arts, and it holds a credit that can be given only to the science of astrology.  Astrology, when rightly executed, strong and firm declarative predications can be provided about thought patterns and real time events.
Every kind of inner process related to the psychological well-being, psychological discomfort, psychological yearnings, and lot of such stuff can be predicted about how it will happen and when it will come to a safe end.  It is for this reason that astrology is an art form that can live not only today, but forever.
How to predetermine the kind of experiences that a human being might encounter? How to make others about the kind of experiences that they are destined to deal with as human beings?
Are the questions that will be pondered upon in the art of astrology, eventually providing predictions and results based on mathematical projections and astronomical basics! It is because of the reality and factual stuff related to the science and art of astrology that it continues to exist to date as well.
In the field of astrology, by considering the consistent change theory, there is place for change in predictions and assumptions as well.  Every individual horoscope is subject to change.
The result that has been told for one person will change for another person. For some other person again the prediction will change.  Therefore, astrology is something that is based on science. This is because it considers astronomy that is indeed science, the planetary positions per astronomy are taken in to consideration > predications are provided based on Yukthi and Sruthi experience – from the foundations drawn from pure scientific astronomical position of planets by visual reasoning – this is purely science.
When the predictions are to be said, it is based on degrees, because for every individual horoscope, the predications are drawn based on the longitudinal and latitudinal positions of the place of birth of the individual and the changes that follow vary per degrees!
While the fundamentals of astrology are based on astronomy it is science, and since the predication factor is changing with every change in the degree it is an art form.
Astrology is science and predication is an art form.
The predication part is considered to be an art form because the predication is to be told for different people in a different way in compliance with consistent changes. Whatever be the case, astrology is not something that is based on religion.
This is because if something should be declared as religious it should be dealing with lot of invisible aspects.  Since astrology is proposing facts based on stuff that is clearly visible – it has created 360 degrees (this might be an imaginary map); however, the nakshatras and the planets that are visible in the sky are not invisible.  They are clearly visible. And they are real.  They are not imaginary.  Based on the foundation of these, mathematics has been created, and the results are declared after clear visualization. This is something that has science as the basis.
Is there no opportunity for astrology to be considered to be as a religion based phenomena at all?
In reality, the answer is no.  This is because astrology keeps declaring future predications and it does not at any point in time declare opportunities to change the predictions applicable for the future.  It cannot tell either at any point in time.
If it becomes a reality, this can be used as a great tool to bring down our miseries and we can increase the happy effects as well.  Since astrology cannot increase happiness or decrease sadness this is completely a study that is based on science and it has nothing to do with religion?
The increasing and decreasing factors are related to religion according to my perception.
Religion is forever considered as a parameter that provides with solution for the miseries of man, we have propagated it this way and this is applicable for all religions.  In all religions, there is something called “forgiving”… It is considered to be a place where your sins can be cleared off.
Everything about human beings like beliefs, discipline, happiness, and everything about human beings is being governed by the principles proposed by religion.  Therefore, every time we look at religion we look at it as a great let out for our miseries and troubles.  And, the path that serves as our drain out for our troubles is something that is being worshipped.
Dear friends, let us list out what we are not worshipping.  We keep praying to everything that troubles us.  We worship everything that helps us in our day-to-day living.  For instance, when you go to villages, there will be people who will be praying to knives, why knife? Is the knife God?  No! If there was no knife our soul would have departed from our body and it would have reached the world of Lord Yama. What is the knife doing? When we are going along in the forest, it plays the role of a big companion and it provides us with the confidence and serves as a weapon to deal with probable dangers in our path. Since the knife as a weapon protects us, it becomes the God for us.
Our natural ancestors were real intelligent.  They respected, prayed and achieved all that they wanted for their lives.  Getting scared of nature formed the major belief system of our ancestors.  In reality, when we least expect, we are forced to experience, every kind of natural happening in our lives.  As humans we will either pray or we will oppose it and we will walk out.  This is indeed human nature.
When this is the case, when we consider a list of things that are worthy of worship, what we can decide is that everything is subject to worship.  This is nature and belief.
“Belief is an entirely different thing from superstition”
We are not dealing with the superstition factor now.  On the basis of the belief that the knife will save us we worship it.  If Shakthivel saves us we pray to it.  Chakra saves us therefore we pray to it. Okay, why should we pray to water? Why should be pray to the waters of the river, why should we pray to the waters of the sea? Why should we pray to fire? Why should we pray to the earth? All these are natural things. All these things can make the most unexpected consequences happen to us.
Suddenly, the waters in the river can rise and it can flood a whole village and wash everyone and everything away.  Then we will die. Suddenly, if fire catches up the whole forest will be burnt away and we will all be destroyed. If an earth quake happens and we go in, we will die.  These are the many natural happenings that are beyond our control.  Therefore, we are looking at all these aspects as God.
We have been converting everything that is scary to us as God. We have been converting everything that has been saving us from fear as a God as well.  Therefore, anything that is based on religion is something that will somehow make human beings regain their faith in the living process despite all natural calamities.
On the basis of religion, the planets in astrology have been used as a tool to somehow make human beings regain their faith in the living process despite all natural calamities, by making the planets as Gods that is all.
In the temples, a place has been allotted to planets.  In reality, before 100 years, there were no such planetary set ups in temples.  If you check in to the Brahadeshwara temple in Tanjavur, there is no such planetary set up in those temples.
For further verification, Vaishnavism that evolved after separation from the Shaivism does not pose planetary gods in their temples, except in very few shrines.  Why did they keep and why they did not keep is a complicated question and this is based on the beliefs of each of these religions.  It is their philosophy and their sastras.  There is no need to argue about the authenticity of these facts. Religion is a very big school. All these religious schools of wisdom to date continue to encourage the sustenance of mankind.
The religions which honored planets by making them worship worthy had their own methods in helping peace for the minds of many troubled minds.
Therefore, astrology is not something that is based on science, but religion had honored astrological planets by absorbing and accepting these planets in to its system.  It has added glory to astrology. What we can tell about religion? Religion accepted astrology!
Even if science did not support astrology, religion has supported astrology.
Just because religion accepted astrology, we cannot call astrology as something that is based on religion.
Religion has accepted many facts in the world and astrology is one of them.  Therefore, astrology is not something about religion.

Western astrology and Indian astrology predictions are completely different




Question:  We are able to see sun sign and moon sign predictions in the newspapers.  Are the predictions for sun and moon signs similar or are they different from each other?  There is a question about how the predictions might differ between these two signs?
  • In Indian astrology, daily or weekly predications are given based on the moon signs.
  • In Western astrology, daily or weekly predications are given based on the sun signs.
There is a very important difference in the Ayanamsha Calculation between Western and Indian astrology.
There is a longitudinal difference between the Sayana method (Tropical) and Sidereal method (Nirayana) involved in marking the planetary positions.  The difference in the number of degrees expressed between the planetary paths defined by the Sayana method and Sidereal method is 24 degrees.
  • In Western astrology, the planetary positions are defined by the Sayana method of calculation.
  • In Eastern astrology, the planetary positions are defined by the Nirayana method of calculation.
What is Sayana method?
Generally, Indian astrological system considers the beginning of Aries at 0 degrees as the starting point to define the planetary orbits.  However, the planetary path of the planets does not start off exactly at 0 degrees in Aries.  The planetary path slants away by a few degrees each year.  At present the planetary path is at – 24 degrees from Aries, which means the starting point for the planetary path starts at Pisces.  Fixing planetary positions starting from Pisces (based on the slant) is the Sayana method.  This is exactly the visual result of how the planets will appear to be in the sky.  Each year, there is a minor variation in the degree of slant (plus or minus) a few degrees and the starting points are adjusted accordingly.  Fixing up the planetary position in this way is followed in the Western Astrological System.
There is a difference in opinion about how many degrees the planetary path slants away each year.  And, there is as well a difference in opinion about the exact year the planetary path was situated in the sign of Aries.
What is Nirayana method?
Since, there is a controversy about the exact slant in degrees and the exact year in which the planetary path used to be at Aries, the Indian Astrological system makes use of the default 0 degrees of Aries as the starting point to calculate the starting points, planetary rashis, and bhavas.
This is done by subtracting – 24 degrees (or as applicable) thereby bringing back the positions to zero degrees in Aries to arrive at the Nirayana figures for marking the planetary positions.
Therefore, there is a fundamental difference in the mathematics applicable for the two astrological systems.  However, the predictions and characteristics allotted for planets and bhavas are the same in both Indian and Western astrological prediction systems.
ASPECTS
There is a major emphasis placed on the aspects factor in western astrology.
The starting point of the ascendant and the starting point of the 10th bhava are very important for Western astrological predictions, they call it the MC.  They consider the 10thbhava as a lucky point and the planets that are placed at a distance of 60 degrees through 120 degrees on either sides of the starting point of the ascendant or the starting point of the tenth bhava are considered to provide great support to the first and tenth bhava, thereby improving good results for the native.
In other words, the planets that aspect the starting point of the ascendant and the starting point of the 10th bhava with 3rd or 5th aspects set at 60 degrees difference or 120 degrees difference, this is considered to be beneficial.
In western astrology, predications are being made based on the measurement of the distance between one planet and the other expressed in terms of specific degrees. Aspects are given a major priority.  There are trine aspects and square aspects defined accordingly.  Square aspects are considered to be those that provide with negative results.  Trine aspects are always considered to be those that provide with positive results.
In Indian astrology, we call this as Parvai; however, it is actually the difference in degrees between two planets. The 120 degrees difference is considered to be one of the best aspects between planets.  The next beneficial aspect is the trine aspect that is a 60 degrees difference.  They say that the 60 degrees difference and 120 degrees difference are good and the planets involved in this aspect provide with good results.
There are square aspects allotted for a distance of 90 degrees, and the 180 degrees aspect for the opposite aspects, which is the 4th and the 7th Kendra Parvai in Indian astrology, is being considered as well.  The planets that are considered to be at 90 degrees and 180 degrees are considered to be those that provide with bad results for the native.  This rule seems to be applicable regardless of whether they are natural benefics or natural malefics.  Whatever be it, they say that these planets land up providing evil effects.
There are no Dhasa periods and related mathematics made use of in Western Astrology.  Based on the above parameters general predictions are provided.  Next to this, according to Gochara (planetary positions) for instance, consider a person who is aged 20 years.  When this is the case to arrive at predictions for this person, the planetary position that might be applicable for the 20th day on which the native was born is taken in to consideration and after a few mathematical calculations, specific predictions are being provided, for a period of one year based on these mathematical derivations for the 20th year.  Similarly for someone who is 30 years, 30th day and so on…For the many number of years for which predictions are to be made, the basic planetary structure and combination and related mathematics is being used for x numbers of years in western astrology.
This is one of the methods used in Western Astrology.
In Indian Astrology, this is not the case.  Basically, we tend to make use of the Nirayana method in the calculation process.  When it comes to aspects (Parvai):
  • All the planets are aspecting the seventh house from wherever they are.
  • Guru (Jupiter) is allotted with the 5th and 9th place respectively.
  • Mars has special aspects like 4 and 8
  • Saturn has special aspects the 3rd and 10th house
  • Are taken in to consideration and predictions are given accordingly.
Along with this:
  • Predications for each bhava
  • Predictions for the bhava lords
  • Predictions based on the position of the different bhava lords in different bhavas
  • Predictions for planetary combinations in different bhavas
  • Predications for planets aspecting each other
  • Predications for dasha bhukthi
And several other rules are applicable when it comes to dealing with Indian astrology.
In western astrology, the rules are less.  There method of delivering predictions is very easy.  In Indian astrology, it is not so.   There are several rules and several experiences and facts involved in providing predictions when it comes to dealing with Indian Astrology.
Since western astrology and Indian Astrology have different math and different rules in the dealing, the predictions might not be similar in many ways.  The planetary degrees vary greatly between Sayana method and Nirayana method.  The predication parameters and planetary degrees taken in to consideration between the two methods vary greatly.
Despite the basic rules and facts applied for each of these individual planets being the same.  The mathematical rules applicable for providing with predictions vary a great deal.
Only a valid research methodology would be able to approve of the degree of accuracy involved in the predictions provided in both of these methods. It is not ethical to be one-sided in opinion about whether this method is correct or that method is correct.
If there is an unethical dispute between astrologers, the world of science would soon reject the science of astrology for lack of scientifically verifiable facts.
Sufficient samples have not been compared and studied so far in our research institute.  And, we expect to bring more to the table when appropriate research has been done.